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Going Mining On Friday!!!!

well the time has come for another great year of gold. the rain has given me a great flowing creek and i have almost all my gear out there. one last trip with some final supplies and a day of work, from friday on we will be hitting it as hard as we can every week so we can get that yellow metal and have a great adventure. i've sampling this creek for five plus years and now i'm ready for some production time. i'm always looking for some good honest help if anyone is interested. i'm very easy to get along with and down to earth. all i ask is every works as hard as the next guy. i'll post pics of the gold i find. wish me luck....

--Jeff
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Visit to Schmidt Tunnel

February 11, 2010



Schmidt Tunnel Adventure


This is quite a long post. Make sure you go potty first so you don't lose our place reading this! You may want to grab your favorite pipe and a glass of your best scotch, and plan to sit back, relax, and enjoy the story. For those of you who don't smoke a pipe (and I can't understand why not) here's the story!



Well, my brother-in-law Bruce and I, along with my son Cody left early Thursday morning to go visit Schmidt’s tunnel. We wanted to find out if we could find any remnants of any possible gold he may have encountered. For those of you who aren’t familiar with this oddity, here’s a 2 cent explanation: William Henry "Burro" Schmidt single handedly dug a 2,087 foot tunnel through the solid rock of Copper Mountain. Burro Schmidt Tunnel is located in Last Chance Canyon within the El Paso Mountains of the Mojave Desert, here in California. This one man, 38 year effort, supposedly began as a gold mine in 1906 but there is also reasoning that stated he wanted to create a shortcut from other mines in the area over to a railroad on the Western side of the canyon. For those of you who want the two dollar explanation, Please click visit the two links at the bottom of this post if you like. There is a lot of good information on both these sites.



I drove to the north-western entrance off the 14. There is a southern access road from Redrock Randsburg Road, but I couldn’t make out any of the roads well enough from the satellite image I had available, so we went with what I knew. I figured maybe we could attempt to navigate out the southern direction if we felt we wanted to try something different. Hell, being 2 unemployed guys, we could sleep in the truck if we got lost out there in the dark. Cody could have missed school Friday if need be. It took us about 2 hours to get from home to our exit point off the 14.



SO - We drove in a south-easterly direction on a dirt road for about 3 and half days. Ok – it was only slightly more than an hour. It seemed a lot longer because we were anxious to finally get to the tunnel. We had to put our plans off for a week due to the round of storms we just had. Along the way, we stopped at a location to search for a geocache that we wanted to log in the database. If you don’t know what geocaching is, then read my next full blog entry in about a week. After finding the cache, we continued on our way bumping, leaning, splashing, and rocking in the truck. It’s a great truck for off-road use. It’s nothing special, but it’s very dependable, comfortable, and strong. And, for those of you reading with baited breath, I’ll tell ya – It’s just a 2002 Nissan Frontier 4x4 Crew Cab. Yep! Like I said – nothing special, but she’s a great friend off-road. We finally pulled up to the adit (that’s the term for a mine opening) and pulled out our flashlights. I had purchased a one million candlepower rechargeable pistol grip flashlight, and we also had 6 other regular, not quite as powerful, but very bright flashlights and extra batteries with us. They remarked that the rechargeable flashlight was indeed, VERY bright in the tunnel, but I didn’t notice it. More about that in a bit. We locked the truck, walked in the tunnel, and started looking at all the remnants of drill holes where dynamite was used to blast through the mountain. Old man Schmidt used a small jack-hammer to make the holes, and then inserted the TNT with very short fuses. From what I’ve read on other internet locations, he didn’t like long fuses because short ones saved him money. I also read that on some occasions, he didn’t quite run fast enough out of the tunnel, and was struck with granite shrapnel, to which he had to go to nearby camps of his friends to get patched up. At any rate, we were looking at all the various veins of quartz, copper oxidation, wider and more crumbly areas, and also found an offshoot with a door (later installed by the Bureau of Land Management) to keep it off limits. Well, it wasn’t locked or chained by any means, so, like countless others before us, opened the door, and traveled into it. It was short. Bruce walked in, and Cody followed. I tripped on a railing used by the ore carts, and damn near broke my ankle. By the time I got up, and took a very careful step forward, I see (hear rather) Cody telling me it’s a short offshoot and they already hit the end, and we have to turn around.




Cool! Almost twisted my ankle to see nothing! We then continued in the direction we were headed, and after seeing some areas of the tunnel that were very large, and high, we also bumped our heads a few times by the lower sections. We had to keep the flashlights toward the ground, because we didn’t want to trip on rail ties used in the past for the ore cart. The rails were stolen about 5 years ago from what I remember. Bruce and I aren’t sure whether they were stolen for the metal value, or because someone was getting interference on their metal detector with the railings being there. Still, 2,000 feet of railing is a lot to take, and you have to multiply it times 2, because there’s a left and a right rail. We found another offshoot to the left, and decided to go that way, knowing the exit was to the right. About half way thru,
Bruce says “STOP!” Cody and I both were going to ask why, and just as Cody said the “wh” part of “why” Bruce said “Hush!” He said he was looking at some kind of nest. I took a step forward to get past Cody, and closer to Bruce (not because I was scared, but because I
couldn’t see this “nest” he was talking about. As I took a step forward, Bruce again said “STOP” but with a bit more authority. So Cody and I didn’t move. We didn’t speak, and we tried to breath real quietly. It hard to breath silent when your more than 1,000 feet in a tunnel, and there is no sound except for your breath. It was on odd moment. Bruce raised his flashlight to the ceiling of the tunnel, and scanned the walls, and the floor, and the ceiling, walls,
and floor out in front of him. After about 2 minutes of silence, except for our breathing, he asked me what I thought it was. I looked at it, and man, was that the goopiest, fluffy mess I had ever seen. It looked kind of like a bird nest, but was oval shaped and about the size of a dinner plate. There was this greenish blackish whitish goop running down the walls and puddle on a ledge below the main portion of the nest. It looked very shimmery, not dusty or dirty is if had been many years old. This looked relatively fresh! “Yuck” – I said! “That’s Gross”, came from Cody. Bruce asked me what color bat guano (bat turds) are, and I said I think they’re brownish, but not being batman, I really wasn’t too certain. I told Bruce that I doubted it was a bat nest, because everything I’ve ever read and seen led me to believe that since bats are mammals, that they bear live young, and since they hang from the ceilings, they most likely wouldn’t build a nest. To top it off, where would a bat get all these feathery, furry, stringy looking things? “That’s NOT anything bat related” I told him. I then added “And if bats hang upside down, wouldn’t they pee and poo all over their heads?” Boy, I’d hate to be
a bat! I then scanned around with my million candlepowered flashlight, and saw a large quantity of rat crap in piles all over. They were neat little piles, almost as if the rats wanted to keep a tidy residence. “But – Why would rats be this far in the tunnel, which is already out in the middle of nowhere?” I thought to myself. Something didn’t sound right. He asked if we should continue on, and I, of course, said “Yeah! I wanna see what’s at the end of this branch!”.



We had to begin ducking quite a bit more than before. I kept looking for little sleeping things
hanging from the ceiling, but luckily, didn’t find any. All I could think of was that if bats started flapping their wings all around our heads and making that squeaking sound so often shown in horror movies, would I be better off running over Bruce to get out the back of the tunnel or trampling over Cody out to the front. Poor guys didn’t even know I was planning to get the hell out of there - through them if they got in my way or following me or not if that happened! It’s really weird traveling down the rest of this branch of the tunnel not knowing what it was that created this nest. Was it the ever elusive “Cave-Beast” that grabs unsuspecting victims, and sucks their face off? Did it use the peoples sweaters to make this next? I hoped it wasn’t some long thought extinct “super-rat” that dragged it’s prey to the deepest, darkest part of the tunnel, and fed off it’s body with a group of it’s family members. I thought, “Maybe it’s something that paralyzes you, and makes you feel completely numb, but not dead, like a spider does, and I’ll have to lay there watching it eat me, waiting to have it gnaw my eyeballs out, and then I would only hear it ripping my flesh while I lay there, unable to move – but in absolutely no pain”. I was wondering if it was something I’d never even heard of or seen
before, and if it got Bruce, who was knocked down by my furious pushing and trampling, would I be able to tell the authorities what it was? My mind was racing with thoughts like this, and I chuckled to myself after each new, but very strange thought. Those who know me can attest to this odd quirk of mine. I let my mind run off in any direction it wants, as long at it leaves me a note as to where it went should I need to find it.



Still ducking, we got to the end of that branch, and decided that since there was nowhere left to go, we should turn around and bravely make it past the “nest of the unknown” and out the back passage. Cody took pictures of the mess, so if any of you out there know what it is, let us know. He didn’t get the nest part, but got the poopy part. I guess Cody likes to take “shitty” pictures. We did find either additional, smaller nests or several pieces of nests scattered about the rest of the tunnel. We’re still not sure what this mystery being could be.



We reached the end of the tunnel, and MY GOD IT WAS BRIGHT! We took pictures, Bruce and I had the celebratory cigarette for making it through the tunnel alive, while Cody found
a distant bush that looked like it was in need of watering. After he helped it with salty liquid
nourishment, he walked back over to us, and started taking pictures. He took a video with his camera, but kept it short because he didn’t want to use up his memory card. Looking back at the video, it was 17 seconds long. I’m not really sure what it was he video’d because he panned from right to left, and back to the right very quickly. We noticed a very sharp dropoff about 50 feet from the tunnels exit. Bruce and I questioned each other, with Cody chiming in, about why someone would “make a shortcut” through a mountain, and then just find a cliff,
basically. There’s no way in hell that this was a shortcut to some supposed railroad tracks with a steep drop like this. I video taped the area, and got some good, clean footage including the dropoff, and the dry lakebed that was off in the distance while we pondered.
We couldn’t answer each other’s question, so we decided to walk back through the tunnel. This time, I video taped the walk back through, just for the heck of it. I was tempted to go back to the off-shoot, but decided I’d just keep walking straight. About half way through, Bruce mentioned that we could have gone over the top of the mountain instead of returning the way we came. I think he was secretly scared to go past the “nest of the unknown” again. I told him to go ahead and go back, and hike over the top, and Cody and I would meet him on the other side. Bruce politely declined.



Cody, in his never ending quest for a scaring people, mentioned that it would be cool to hide in the off-shoots, and when people come by, to jump out and scare them. Both he and I
began the scary sound from movies. Tss tss tss – ahh ahh ahh – kill kill kill! I agreed that it would be really funny to do! Mostly, because we wouldn’t be US having the crap scared out of
us. He also thought it would be hilarious to leave one of our walkie-talkies in the tunnel, and when someone goes in, to whisper “Get out of my cave” to unsuspecting visitors. Yes, that too, would be funny but I’d probably pee my pants from laughing so hard as they came running out! Speaking of peeing, Cody was determined to go find another plant that he could help, because the last few close-together storms apparently hadn’t given them the amount of “something to drink” as Cody would have liked. Maybe tunnels cause this for him? We’ll have to find more tunnels to visit, and test this theory.



Don’t tell him though - I want him to think he’s along for the fun – not as a part of dad’s homespun science project. Anyway, I unlocked the truck and lifted the lid to get to the ice chest, so we could have some lunch, and then I removed my sunglasses so I could - Wait – What the….? My SUNGLASSES? Damn it! No wonder it seemed that the flashlights weren’t putting out much light. Here I was complaining to myself that the place I bought my batteries from, and where I got this “Million candle” flashlight sold me batteries that aren’t that good, and a light that really ain’t all that bright – and I had my sunglasses going through the tunnel in BOTH directions. When I brought this to the attention of Bruce, he said he hadn’t even noticed I had them on. When he returned, I told Cody that the reason it was so dark for me was because I had my sunglasses on and he also told me he hadn’t noticed. Man! -
Do people even look at me?



So we had a sandwich, some soda, and a smoke (well, not Cody – he just had the sandwich and a drink). Bruce finished up his, and pulled out a nifty little device he created to try and find gold remnants, whether it be gold dust, gold flakes, or – a nugget or twelve. This thing is
great! You put your dirt and whatnot into it, and it’s all separated by size. Then you sort thru the materials and find gold if you’re lucky. He basically wanted to just try it out, and find any potential areas he should modify by doing a real “field test” rather than using dirt, pebbles and any dead or weedy grass from the backyard. This thing is great! We filled it - it sorted and rinsed. We checked and repeated! Wonderful! Have I mentioned, that “this thing is great”? We had a few visitors come to the tunnel, and attempt to walk through. What they forgot (for whatever reason) is flashlights. Although I would have loaned them mine if they had asked, they, instead, decided to tell their kids and each other (about 6 times) “we can’t go through it kids, because we don’t have any flashlights”. They also said “I wonder what they’re doing” and really – they were close enough to us that there’s no way we could Not hear it. Each time they said it, it was a bit louder, but they never once said “Hi” to us, or acknowledged us. I hate that. Instead, they just kept dropping hints as if we were supposed to say hello to them, introduce ourselves, tell them about the tunnel, explain what we were doing, and offer to loan them the
flashlights they need to enjoy “their” day. I sure as hell wouldn’t have traveled all those miles on bumpy, twisty, mud-puddled roads without the means to get through over 2,000 feet of darkness.







Maybe I was petty, but I think they should have been prepared, or at least been social enough to initiate a conversation, then ask for help instead of throwing hints around. I don’t have time for people like that. There were others who came by on their motorcycles, and one felt the need to play “Park Ranger” and give a history lesson to the 2 people he brought with him. About 15 minutes later, he too asked what we were doing, and offered to give us a history lesson when he came back out of the tunnel because he was a frequent visitor and comes there a lot. We politely told him that we had researched the area and the tunnel at length, and declined his history lesson (that we had just heard anyway). Well, lo and behold – 2 minutes later they all came out, and while walking toward their dirt bikes “Ricky the Ranger” was saying to one of his “students” that “if we had brought our flashlights we could have walked all the way through”. Again with the idiots! How can you bring people to show them a historic landmark that you’ve been to many times (remember, he said that – not me), give someone the low-down, and walk them in 50 feet only to realize that – Yep! It’s Dark in there.



We had a guy on a quad come to the tunnel, and he was really polite. He said “Hay, how’s it going”. He spoke to us, we chatted, he pulled a flashlight out of his backpack, then went into the tunnel. Yes, you read that right! He had a flashlight. He walked through the tunnel, and upon exiting 15 or so minutes later, again asked how we were doing, and if we were finding anything. Wow! He didn’t ask us “What” we were doing but IF we found anything. How observant! No stupid question, and he had the required item needed to complete the tunnel tour. This guy must be on the ball! He knew what we were doing, knew what to do, spoke to us with the intent to have a conversation – not just some idle chat to get the scoop and then complain. Wow! We had talked for about 10 minutes about the area, and toward the end, he told us that he knew the lady (Tonie) who took care of the area and the tunnel after William “Burro” Schmidt had died. She died in 1994, and he said he had met her in about 1992. He gave us some insight to her, not about the area. It was something that was not “just on the internet” and that’s the only thing people know. It was interesting to hear this bit of information that I’m sure very few people are privy to. He asked us how we came across the tunnel, and how we accessed it. We told him about our internet searches and our desire to get out of the house and do something, rather than just sit idly on our collective asses. Bruce asked him how he came into the area, and he pointed to a mountain range quite a distance away where he was camped with some buddies. He also told us how his buddy was climbing a steep incline on his quad, and as he turned it, it rolled….. ALL the way down the side of the hill. His new quad, was in about 100 pieces he told us. Luckily - His buddy jumped off to the side,
and was not hurt in the least, so that was good to hear! They had been there since Saturday the 6
th, and were leaving Friday afternoon. He showed us a map he had with him for the area that actually showed the dirt roads. It was something I was not able to get online (with any detail) nor from Auto Club.



We looked at a way to get to the southern edge and end up at the highway we wanted to take home. The map showed (in detail) the roads and the condition of those roads so people know
what to expect. There was a good size length that showed as being very poor condition. Well, we looked at what we had already driven through on the map, and there were areas designated as very poor as well, and yes – they were indeed, poor. Bruce and I took a mental
note of the direction, and planned to leave via that route. We said our good-byes and he left to go back to his camp and his buddies.



Meanwhile, Cody was busy with my pickax going to town on a vein of quartz that was running up the slope of the hill. It was about 6 inches wide, and about 15 feet long. He cracked out several nicely sized chunks. We brought them home, and I cleaned them up with a scrub brush in the sink. They look very clean, and I’m going to try my hand and see if I can polish or buff them some how. Since I don’t have a rock tumbler, I’ll just try something with a wire grinding wheel and then maybe some different polishing compounds on a buffing wheel and see what I can accomplish. If it doesn’t work one, I’ll stop, and then just keep the rest in their natural state. They’ve got some nice veining and color to them. No gold in them though! I’d crush them if there was an outward sign! We took a heap of the small debris from Cody’s pickax-ing, and found nothing of note. After all our stuff was packed back into the truck, we decided to get a few last pictures, go by and visit the cabins that were the residences of Burro Schmidt and Tonie (the caretaker) and see what was left of them.



The pictures I saw on the internet do not do it justice. They show the vandalism that they’ve
sustained in the last five years, but man – when you see it – it’s horrible. It really is! We saw old “before” pics and we also saw the latest ones (maybe a couple years old). We took some, and it was just so sad to think that a mere 5 or so years ago, this place looked like it had when he was alive, and tunneling through this mountain. 5 years ago - It had looked like it was a piece of history, and now looks like something that would be condemned and red tagged in any city in the nation. 5 years ago, you could look at “His” things and at “Her” things in their respective cabins. 5 years later and all we get to see is the interior walls ripped apart. We get to see the floors removed of many of the floorboards. We also got to see where people had tried to burn sections of the outhouse – parts of the side of the cabin – and where they broke out all the windows, and pulled the doors, and all the hardware out. I’ve said that it’s sad to see – but you simply can’t imagine seeing it that way.



We had a very fun, bumpy, muddy, enjoyable ride on what we believe is a road worse than what we drove in on. It was a mess. We very slowly climbed over large rocks in the road so as not to damage my oil pan, my axles, my running boards, or my anything. We had a lot of close together humps in the road – perfect for dirt bikes and quads. There were areas where the turns were almost too tight for the truck to maneuver. And, there were about 50 or so very wide and long mud-puddles which I enjoyed crossing. The mud splashing out to the sides as I drove through them was really cool. I hadn’t done that in a long time, as my wife really hates being off-road. They weren’t too deep, but it was deep enough to cause mud to be splashed onto the side windows a little bit. Oddly enough, my truck isn’t all that muddy. I’m kinda disappointed in that it looks like I only went through a single mud puddle, rather than a whole bunch of them.





In the end – Bruce and I – along with Cody – had a terrific day out together. We’ll have to plan
something again very soon. Maybe next time, we could go out toward Mitchell Caverns, between Needles and Barstow. That would be fun, huh? Or – how about maybe cruising the area outside Barstow or Calico or around the dead volcanoes? Those too would be a great way to kill a day. We did hide a couple geocaches – one at the tunnel and one in Randsburg (an actual living ghost town) on the route home. Randsburg is a cool short trip. People actually live there, in the small cabins they now call home. There are MANY antiques all over the town from old cars, mining equipment, the old roads, the old motels, the old saloons, the bank and the post office - and everything is being used, and lived in today, as it was over
100 years ago. The only thing different is that the people have some of the modern conveniences if they choose to use them, like hot water, propane, swamp coolers, and most likely – retrofitted electrical.



I hope you’ve enjoyed my blog about our adventure to Schmidt’s tunnel. Included with this blog post are just a few of the pictures we took. I didn’t post the picture of the device Bruce created because I’m currently sworn to secrecy. I’ll have to drive back up there, go into the tunnel where that unnamed creature lives, and eat a spoonful of the gooey stuff. I’m sure you can imagine why I never applied to be on “Fear Factor” or “Survivor”.



Well, thanks for reading, and be on the lookout for my next in depth blog post, which will be about my interest in geocaching, which I’ve touched on in this essay. My weekly post that’s normally longer than my daily posts on my blog. For those of you who don’t visit it, the blog is located at http://pipes4mike.wordpress.com if you’d like to read some of my other posts.



Have a great day!



Until next time…..



I’m Pipe Mike


www.pipes4mike.com




http://www.burroschmidttunnel.org/


http://www.bickelcamp.org/BurroSchmidt.html














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This is for people interested in prospecting in Michigan I just received this e-mail and the DNR is asking for input on these changes for prospecting Michigan on public property they would like comment by March 17 on these regulations if anyone is interested please be polite and honest

Below is a public notice from the Department of Natural Resources and Environment’s Environmental Calendar and the proposed draft General Permit. The Department would appreciate your review and comments by March 17, 2010. Thank you.

DEADLINE FOR PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING A PROPOSED GENERAL PERMIT FOR RECREATIONAL GOLD PANNING AND SLUICING ON SELECT STREAM FRONTAGE OWNED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES AND ENVIRONMENT (DNRE). Pursuant to Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act, 1994 PA 451, as amended, the DNRE's Land and Water Management Division is proposing to establish a General Permit for recreational gold prospecting along certain DNRE riparian frontage on select streams. Action has been taken to allow this activity along DNRE state administered lands by enacting Director’s Order Number 2 of 2009. The issuance of a general permit, with proposed limitations and conditions will meet the environmental protection requirement of the Inland Lakes and Streams statute. The proposed General Permit can be found at http://www.michigan.gov/documents/deq/lwm-gold_308221_7.pdf or may be requested from the address given below. Written comments should be submitted directly to the Michigan Department of Natural Resources and Environment, Land and Water Management Division, Attention: Mr. Martin Jannereth, P.O. Box 30458, Lansing, MI 48909‑7958 or e‑mail to jannerethm@michigan.gov. All comments must be received by March 17, 2010. Information contact: Martin Jannereth, Land and Water Management Division, 517‑335‑3458.

DRAFT

GENERAL PERMIT CATEGORY

RECREATIONAL GOLD MINING ON CERTAIN MICHIGAN STREAMS HAVING STATE-OWNED SHORELINES

January 22, 2010

Issued Under Part 301, Inland Lakes and Streams, of the Natural Resources and Environmental Protection Act, 1994 PA 451 as amended (NREPA), being Section 324.30101 to 324.30113 of the Michigan Compiled Laws, Annotated.

PURPOSE

The purpose of this General Permit is to facilitate recreational gold prospecting under limited conditions by authorizing the use of a hand-operated sluice box within the specified timeframe, and in accordance with other listed conditions. This General Permit would align Part 301 regulations with the Department of Natural Resources and Environment’s (DNRE) objectives for limited recreational gold prospecting uses along select portions of state-owned stream shorelines. A permit holder will be able to use a sluice box of up to a specified size, during specified times, in Michigan along state‑owned streams, except those stream types specifically omitted.

The ownership interest in the stream bed is divided between the owners of opposing stream banks at the thread of the stream. Permittees must ensure that they remain on the riparian interest area of a streambed in State ownership.

Gold panning by hand is not regulated by Part 301 and can be conducted on state‑owned riparian interest areas of streams, as authorized by the DNRE. Gold panning on other landowner’s riparian interest areas of a stream requires prior approval of the property owner. Gold panning can be conducted in authorized areas year around.

REGULATORY AUTHORITY

This General Permit is issued by the DNRE’s Land and Water Management Division (LWMD) under the authority of Part 301. This authority allows for the issuance of a General Permit by the LWMD for activities that are similar in nature, will cause only minimal adverse environmental effects when performed separately, and that will only have minimal cumulative adverse effect on the environment. The LWMD may impose additional site-specific conditions as needed under this General Permit if the conditions are to mitigate the impact of the activity. The LWMD may also establish a reasonable time when the proposed activity is to be authorized.

GENERAL PERMIT PROCEDURES

A person seeking authorization under this General Permit must submit a permit application on a form provided by the LWMD and include the required information and a fee. The LWMD will review applications for authorization under this General Permit to determine whether the conditions and limitations are met. Applications processed under General Permit procedures are reviewed without issuance of a public notice. If it is determined that an application for a specific project meets all the general and specific criteria, written authorization under the General Permit will be issued to the applicant. The department may issue, deny, or impose conditions on project activities authorized under this General Permit. The department will provide a written response to each application.

If at any time in the review process it is determined that an application for a specific project does not meet all the General Permit criteria, the project will be processed as an individual permit application and public noticed. The processing as an individual permit application may require the applicant to provide additional information and an additional fee.

ACTIVITIES THAT MAY BE AUTHORIZED UNDER THIS GENERAL PERMIT

An applicant may request authorization under this General Permit FOR A LIMITED PERIOD to conduct recreational gold prospecting using a sluice box only on state-owned mineral and surface lands with riparian rights along a stream ADMINISTERED BY THE DNRE, provided that the proposed activity meets the following specified conditions and limitations.

  • This General Permit is not applicable in the following sensitive natural resource areas:
    1. a state designated natural river
    2. a state designated natural area
    3. a state designated trout stream

  • Dredging or excavation shall only be by hand in the stream bed and shall not disturb the banks of the stream.

  • A hand-operated sluice box used shall not be larger than 52 inches long, 12 inches wide and 6.5 inches deep.

  • The use of a powered sluice box or any power operated dredge of any kind is prohibited.

  • This General Permit is not applicable in any areas of a stream if native mussels are known to occur or if they are encountered while using a sluice box.

  • Each General Permit Authorization shall only authorize the use of one sluice box on the state-owned riparian interest areas of a stream from June 15 through September 15 each year until the expiration of the General Permit.

  • This General Permit shall not be used to authorize the destruction or alteration of areas of existing native wetland or aquatic vegetation.

  • This General Permit shall not be used to authorize activities that may have an adverse impact on state or federally listed or proposed threatened or endangered species or their habitat.


GENERAL LIMITATIONS AND CONDITIONS

The following general limitations and conditions apply to all authorizations issued by the LWMD:

A. Initiation of any work on the permitted project confirms the permittee's acceptance of and agreement to comply with all terms and conditions of an authorization under this permit.

B. The permittee in exercising the authority granted by an authorization under this permit shall not cause unlawful pollution as defined by Part 31, Water Resources Protection, of the NREPA.

C. No attempt shall be made by the permittee to forbid the full and free use by the public of public waters.

D. Authorization under this permit does not convey property rights in either real estate or material, nor does it authorize any injury to private property or invasion of public or private rights.

E. Authorization under this permit does not prejudice or limit the right of a riparian owner or other person to institute proceedings in any circuit court of this state when necessary to protect his or her rights.

F. Authorizations under this permit shall not be assigned or transferred without the written approval of the DNRE.

G. Failure to comply with conditions of authorizations under this permit may subject the permittee to revocation of permit and criminal and/or civil action as cited by the specific state act, federal act, and/or rule under which this permit is granted.

NEED FOR OTHER PERMITS

Issuance of authorization for these activities pursuant to this General Permit does not remove the need for other applicable local, state, or federal permits.

EXPIRATION DATE

This General Permit expires on ________, 2015, unless revoked or modified prior to that date. Any activity authorized under this General Permit must cease by _______, 2015.

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New to GoldProspectorsSpace

Hi Y'all, Glad to join your group. Retired United States Navy (Chief Petty Officer E-7 (Radioman)) (25 1/2 years). Live in Ione (Lake Camanche) California just outside of Jackson California, 40 minutes southeast of Sacramento California. Born and raised in Placerville California with exception of 6 years in Bentonville, Arkansas (age 4-10). My wife and I have been prospecting (panning, sluicing) for about 15 years. Have not gotten into dredging, though I did purchase a 1 1/2 inch backpack dredge some years ago, have only had it in the water twice. Not much to show for that. Member GPAA, LDMA and Mother Lode Goldhounds out of Auburn/Foresthill California. Have panned/sluiced; (MOSTLY North Fork American River (Auburn, Colfax CA), Mokelumne River (Jackson California), Consumnes River (Amador County CA), South Fork Yuba River, Slate Creek (Plumas County Ca), Bear River (Placer County, Ca), Duncan Creek (Placer County Ca). Best find so far is 4.12 pennyweight nugget. Most of all enjoy the outdoors, peace and quiet and tranquility. And of course the comradery of like people. Art Speegle

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First cw relic 2010

Here'S the story,got up around 0600am on saturday 1-16-2010 headed on down to north littlerock to meet up with a club member, and away we went, as we was driving he was telling me about this nice spot that him and a few others only new about up in eastern arkansas, i just couldnt wait to get there, after about an hour we were there,boy was it a awesome place. we thought we get a few hours in before the rain would run us off due to if it did start raining we would have been in for a mess trying to get out of there let me tell ya,anyways,he parked ,we got out and man did we have a walk,lol it was about a 1-2 mile hike in, but was it worth it, ill let yall decide that,so here i am walking and talking,then i noticed my friend turn on his beeper, hmmm i was thinking,he said you can start any time now dave,well i said is this the area ,he pointed about that time, and i was already out of breath, he pointed at a area off to the distance at least another mile off,so i said ill just wait, anyways long story short got into the area where he told me it was a clear area about 60-80 acres and then it happened,BAM,i got the weirdest sound on my beeper ive never heard,they was laughing so i dug about 3 inches and there for the first time i recovered my first 3 ringer 56 mini ball,i was so excited.but i didnt know they had a thing going on between them on to see who can find the most,well i recovered 8 that day,and i hate to say between my 2 other buddies in whom i am really jealious of now recovered 60 some bullets. that was an awesome day and a day i will cherish the rest of my life. we left that afternoon before the rain did actually hit .drove home and just fell alseep holding my new recovered civil war relics in my lap

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Back at it again-at last

Bill and I are finally back at it.We ran to the desert a few days ago.More to eye ball things than dig.But,with any luck,we can find a decent spot so this late spring we can put some hours on the dry washer.We have been looking at a area where it is somewhat hazardous to get in and out.But,because it is so hairy,it has been more or less unworked. Hope everybody is out having some fun.Hope to see you all out there a digging.
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WANTED... DIRECTIONS TO ABANDON MINES

HEY EVERYONE, I WISH TO GO AND EXSLORE SOME ABANDONED MINES IN MY AREA. THE ONLY THING IS I DONT KNOW WERE TO GO OR FOR THAT FACT HOW TO GET PERMISSION IF THEY ARE ON PRIVITE PROPERTY?I LIVE IN CITRUS HEIGHTS CA. AND I AM WITH IN 40 TO 50 MINS FROM PRIME GOLD HARD ROCK MINING. IN EL DORADO/PLACER/AMADOR COUNTY.. CAN ANYONE HELP ME FIGURE A WAY TO FIND SOME. I HAVE BEEN ON THE BLM SITE AND I DONT UNDERSTAND THERE MAPING SYSTEM SO THATS A ISSUE? ANYWAY IF YOU CAN HELP LET ME KNOW.FRED / SCORPIOTOYOUP.S. THE REASON I WANT TO GO , IS FOR THE PURE FUN OF IT, BUT ALSO TO VIDEO TAPE AND EXSPLORE PLUS POST ON YOU TUBE AND HERE. THANKS!!!
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is there any prospecters here from kentucky?????

to any one that is from kentucky or with in ear shot ... would you be able to help me out?,there is a friend of mine on you/tube that is from that state - that is a green pea when it comes to finding gold? and for that fact he does not know were to find it there ether?as fare as i know , there is glacer gold there but i have not looked up if there is bigger gold. i have also heared of semi gems in the gravel depending on location? is there any truth to that???please let me know thanks...fred
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gold bug metal detector.????

hey there... i was wanting to post a questine about a metal detector, that i was hopeing some one could give me some feed back on???? you see i am use to high end detectors like a x-terra 70 pro. . but now i want to try the gold bug metal detector, the last time i was at my autherized dealer he tried to push one on me, since he knew i hunted for gold. and.. at the time i new that even my e-terra 70 had problems with the gross amount of hot rocks that just drive the detector crazy.the dealer could not establish if i could tune out the highly iron rocks, and just pick up the gold like it should. i want to get one but would like - i say..some feed back.fred.
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At it again

Hello,after a long vacation Bill and I are back on the same sch. at work which,means,time to dig.I have been dragging my feet on finishing the clod buster,but,its near completion.Bill and I went out more goofing off than anything else a few days ago.After doing nothing for many months.Then walking up and down a few hills.Two days latter; I am in pain--LOLHopefully I will see some of you out in the field soon.--Grant
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WHOOO RAAA

THIS FROM GPAA SITE THREADPicked this up on a different site and thought it might be helpful info to pass around, with all that is going around....DFG says sucker tubes are ok to useby Seden on Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:26 amI was over on the Mike Higbees prospectors forum and a guy who goes by the name "Sluicejuice" wrote the DFG and here's a copy of his letter to the DFG and their reply:I emailed Mark Stopher the other day and he just emailed me back. I am posting a copy of my initial email to him and his reply back. I hope this will give even further clarification and help everyone.My initial email to Mark:"I have spoken with Kim Shepherd over the phone to get some clarification as to what activities are now permitted since the implementation of SB670. It is my understanding that anything that is not instream and never required a permit to begin with is still allowed. I was hoping you can confirm this. There is much confusion in the mining community as to what is currently permissible and what is not. We understand panning and sluicing is still permitted. But after a friend had an encounter with a ranger who told him he could not use a "gold sucker" *(a hand operated PVC pipe suction pump), I decided to write and get further clarification.Our questions are, according to SB670, can we:-- Highbank/powersluice?-- "Hand dredge", i.e. the "gold sucker" PVC tube-- Gravity dredge?-- Engage in "booming"? (this technique consists of forming a small recirculating pool of water above the waterline and dredging that)-- Using a device such as the "Hydroforce" dryland suction nozzle (which may be viewed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3Z3IfqvgJY as long as it is not instream?We were hoping to get clarification from you in writing or even better yet, put it of the F&G website in the dredging Q&A section. This way, if we are stopped by rangers or wardens we have some proof that we are not violating the law..."Mark's reply email:"The moratorium established by SB 670 does not prohibit any of the activities you mention. Highbanking, power sluicing, booming, gravity dredging and dryland suction dredging may substantially modify the bed, bank or channel of a stream, river or lake, or substantially divert flow from a stream and require notification under section 1602 of the Fish and Game Code. I suggest you coordinate the regional DFG office nearest to where you conduct your activities to make that determination. You can also access our web site http://www.dfg.ca.gov/ for more information on streambed alteration agreements and suction dredging status. It seems unlikely to me that, as I understand it, a PVC suction pipe operated by hand would require a streambed alteration agreement.Mark StopherEnvironmental Program ManagerCalifornia Department of Fish and Game601 Locust StreetRedding, CA 96001voice 530.225.2275fax 530.225.2391cell 530.945.1344"...end quote.....so if your activities will not "substantially modify the bed, bank or channel of a stream, river or lake, or substantially divert flow from a stream" you would not be required to have a streambed alteration agreement. If you have any doubt contact the DFG and ask them about your specific situation/plans. Please note, these regulations were in place long before SB670 came along....just fill in your holes and you should be good to go!Let's get back to gettin' gold!So print this out and go use your sucker tubes with full rights as I sure will.Randy
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Kurok Tribe and the Gov.

We are the tip of the ice burg!!!! Every one should go to their web site and do some reading...In the plans, they are also working on having all the dams on the river there removed.. They state the dams are making the water to warm for the salmon!!!! This is why the fish count is down...So they say!!!!It is stated that Dam removal can start as soon as 2020...The Gov. set in on these talks so it says...So who is running the Gov??? Who is paying for all of this?????? We are....
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IDEA DREDGING

QOUTE I FOUND ON GPAA FORM MAYBEE HELPFULOk everyone. I just spent 30 minutes on the phone with Mark Stopher. He is the current Enviromental Program Manager in the State of California. He is one of the top people working on the DFG Enviromental Impact Report. He seems to have ALL the answers, so far. We had a very nice conversation. Here are some of the topics we talked about concerning the current California dredging ban.His department has already been working on a general Enviromental impact report. They do not have enough money to do a report on every lake, river, stream and creek in the state. SO, they have decided to do a general report on ALL the waterways in the state combined. They will focus on the main problems that could impact aquatic life: fish, and other life, that breeds and lives in the water. This is really great news. It would take forever to study every body of water in the state! His team is currently working on their report now! He said they want to have their completed report in, no later than the Summer of 2011. That is 2 years from now. After the final report has been written, it will go to the Secretary of State, and he will have 30 to 45 days to approve or reject it. Mark said his report will be as accurate as possible, to avoid having to do it again. He wants it right the first time!He said this Nov. there will be 3 meetings that anyone in the State of California can attend. One meeting is in Sacramento, another in Fresno and the final one in Redding. Anyone can bring information for or against this issue and present it to the DFG. Also anyone can email Mark at mstopher@dfg.ca.gov and offer any information relating toissues for or against this dredging ban.It seems to me that he is very neutral on this issue, and looking for information from both sides.I got the impression from talking to him, (even though he did not actually say this) that the DFG does not want to stop suction dredging all over the state. Only in areas that could impact aquatic life. Quote from Chuck Pharis: "I feel that both sides could win here." "It seems that some water bodys will be closed and others open to dredging." I also got the impression that a lot of areas could be open to dredging after the Summer of 2011 if all goes well.He did say that no matter what his report says, there will probably be more law suits. Could that temporally halt a possible dredge ban again, maybe. He seemed very open to suggestions and information from anyone.Now some really good news. He said that we are NOT banned from using hand operated (non motorized) suction devices in any waterway in Calif.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This means it IS OK to use those PVC hand operated suction pumps anywhere in the state!!!!! Nothing can be used that has a motor to vacuum or suck material from a lake, river, stream or creek. Now is the time to invent a 3" or 4" PVC hand operated device! I asked him directly about these PVC units, and he said they were OK to use!Here is DFG website to go to: www.dfg.ca.gov. Click on the (current topic icon) "Suction Dredge Information." Read all links on the right side of the page. More information will be posted soon about the public meetings in Nov.All is not lost folks, it is just going to take a few years.!Chuck Pharis
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