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A place to discuss mining law and regulation.

I hope with this blog addition we can all have a single place to discuss mining law and regulation.

It is, in my opinion, in all miners best interest to understand their rights and duties pertaining to mining. With education and understanding the ongoing incursion on our rights by our employees (government administrators) will easily be reversed.

I am working on some posts to describe the legal framework of mining law in the United States. Single issues such as the recent dredging fiasco on the Boise National Forest will be given their own separate thread so we can more easily find answers as these threads grow in size and number.

All are welcome to post, comment and contribute.

 

Clay

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RIP

Last night we LOST, Gator Jim Lezak, from FL A member here and the LDMA, passed in his sleep, on his claim in Idaho.Rest in peace Jim....
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IDAHO Dredging Update

If you are Dredging iN BOISE NF you must have a letter on Intent (LOI) or a Notice of intent NOI, or a Plan of Operations POO. I have the Forest service letter that states "Suction Dredgers must have a EPA NPDES permit, or no entrance to forest" Your state dredge permit is worthless at this point!...

 

Drove 19 hrs, $687 for fuel,1300 new dry suit.....and now NOWHERE TO DREDGE!!

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It all looks so differen't

 The Last week I flew too Arkansaw and loaded my Wifes Mother's house hold in to a rental truck. Heading west down I 40  2300 miles too Redding California 39 and 1/2 hours of viewing scenery I have been by before !   It all looked so different after 2 years of Prospecting !!!   It was an Eye opener what started as a hobby can change your life and the way you see it.     So many places I would have loved to spend some time as I drove .  Arizona near Needles  Just proved me to be totally Nutz looking at the geology and wanting to spend time in such a barren stretch of desert.

                                                                                     Good Gold to all of you !

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Funny How Things Change.....

Most of my friends at work know I go out on trips to gold prospect in a recreational kind of way. This usually got me condescending looks, being female, like maybe I was dragged along with the spouse or perhaps I was just eccentric. They would have been more understanding if I told them " I collect ....antique teacups, doilies, etc" something like that.  Actually its cast iron cookware, antique bottles, and heritage plants.

WELL NOW....the shoe is on the other foot. All of the sudden my Plan B for retirement does not look so crazy nor do I appear quite as eccentric as before. My friends are all aware the price of gold has shot thru the roof and now its maybe she is on to something here. Now I have people ask on a weekly basis if I am going out to the creeks and dredge and possibly would I consider taking them along and showing them the ropes.  Could I possibly come to their house and bring a pan to check out the little creek in the back yard? Can I bring my metal detector out to see if there are any relics or old encampments on their place ?

 

I am quite used to , by now, the bizarre look on peoples faces when they saw a woman run a dredge or pan. I have had bystanders go so far as to nudge each other or run back and fetch someone in their group who would miss this odd spectacle. I smiled and ignored them and continued on my happy way. Being something of an oddity, I was happy to find other women who prospected and have made wonderful friends. I have found gold, lead, mercury, silver, old coins, I have a half ounce vial of garnets....and a few leeches. The leeches are long gone but the memory will live forever.

This summer I have the wonderful blessing of an opportunity to travel to Alaska for a couple of months and go prospect with the big boys. I am originally from Washington State near Mt. Rainier and St. Helens so the animals and the atmosphere don't scare me.  The chance to find more than the smidgens I end up with here in Virginia will be a great thing too. The leave of absence from work will be a fantastic change and not having phone or internet service will be nice too. A sabbattical in God's country. p.s. I hear there are quite a few ladies who seriously prospect in that state and am definitely interested in carving my name on the tree too. Not so wierd now , eh?

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I just got this from ICMJ, California's Politicians are never going to stop until dredging is completely dead!!! :twisted: 

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"ACTION ALERT
May 11, 2011 
From:
ICMJ's Prospecting and
MINING JOURNAL





Action Needed Now
California considering 5-yr moratorium on dredging in current budget bill 
Sorry to bother you, but we just received word that Subcommittee 2 in the California State Senate is considering adding language to a budget bill that would place a moratorium on suction dredge mining for a period of five years and stop the court-ordered Supplemental Environmental Impact Report that is already under way.

Page 39 of the agenda for tomorrow, May 12, 2011, states:

Staff Recommendation: Approve the following:
(1) Trailer bill language to continue the moratorium on issuance of suction dredge permits for an additional five years, or until such time as new regulations that fully mitigate all identified significant environmental impacts, and a proposed fee structure that will fully cover all program costs, are in place. 
(2) Approve Budget Bill Language prohibiting any funding at the department from being used for suction dredge mining regulation, permitting or other activities.
The recommendation is based on the faulty premise that the suction dredge permits only cost $25 and the program creates a net-loss for the California Department of Fish & Game.

When SB 670 was passed the bill clearly stated that passage of that bill would negatively impact DFG and that enforcement activities were covered by permit fees. Here is the exact wording from the bill:


FISCAL EFFECT of SB670: According to the Assembly Appropriations Committee, loss of approximately $175,000 in annual revenue each year the moratorium is in effect, resulting from loss of suction dredge permit fees (Fish and Game Preservation Fund). Currently, fee revenue pays for suction dredge permit enforcement at the cost of approximately $50,000 per year, activity which will presumably continue during the moratorium.



Here is what you need to do tonight:

Only three Senators -- all part of Subcommittee 2 -- will decide whether or not to add the above language to the budget bill at this time. Call each one of them tonight. There is no time to send a letter -- you must call. If their mailboxes are full, then you must call them in the morning to make an impact.



Phone numbers:

Sen. Lowenthal (916) 651-4027 and (562) 495-4766 and (562) 529-6659

Sen. Simitian (chair) (916) 651-4011 and (408) 277-9460 and (831) 425-0401

Sen. Fuller (916) 651-4018



Here is the info they need to hear from you:

1. The Background info supplied to the Committee is inaccurate. DFG does not lose money as a result of the suction dredging program. 

2. The stated fee structure in inaccurate. The cost for permits are $47.50 in-state, and $167.25 out of state ( a far cry from the $25 stated in this Background proposal)

3. PLEASE VOTE NO for the moratorium on suction dredging 


Thank you.


Sincerely,



Scott Harn

Editor/Publisher

ICMJ's Prospecting and Mining Journal

www.icmj.com 



Supporting Documents:

May 12, 2011 Agenda for Subcommittee 2, California Senate

Fiscal Impact of SB670"
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Tunnel Brook, NH

Has anyone had much luck at Tunnel Brook in NH? I have dug up there a few times but only got a few small specs. They say try just after the bridge, but it's mostly exposed bedrock...great for sniping I guess!

 

Here is the spot where the 2 brooks intersect...not sure what the small one is called, if it has a name.

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Here is a map showing where the 2 meet. The yellow line is the brook that intersects Tunnel Brook. It originates up on Moosilauke I think.

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It's a beautiful spot. It might be in the WMNF so only panning is allowed.

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Here is some info from Steve (a.k.a. Rail Ghost)"

 

"It is not really clear what is allowed beyond panning in the WMNF.  I have been meaning to contact the Rangers office on this subject.  Also there may still be some private lands within the WMNF.  Do your research.  You may have to take a trip to the town hall for the town you wish to prospect in.

I have a set of old WMNF maps unfortunatly they are not for the Tunnel Brook area.  One set is for Encumberances.  There has been some discussion that how parcels came into the WMNF there can still be owned mineral rights on some parcels."

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Back from my trip to Cresent Creek

I recently went to the Henry Mountains, Utah, for two weeks. I found the gold there to be small in size but did find some nice flakes. The total so far is 8 grains, ( I still have to work out some con's through the Blue bowel ) and will get the final weight in a week or so. The weather was for the most part poor rained about an inch, ran all the washes, I did some sluicing, with mixed realizes.  05-05-2011    UPDATE: the final tally was 6.6 grains the scale battery was dead, so it is less than I expected.
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Just FYI to metal detectorists... Tesoro notified dealers  that they've made a tone change to the Golden uMax detector. By changing the pitches, Tesoro has made it easier to distinguish all 4 tones clearly, which makes it easier to identify targets. Machines shipping now will already have the new tones. If you already own a Golden uMax metal detector and want to have the tones changed, Tesoro will do that for you for $50. More about the tone change and how to properly set up any Golden uMax detector at http://www.goldrushtradingpost.com/prospecting_blog
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Prospectors are the best people.

I think, in general, prospectors are the best group of people I've come across. in a while. This is a hobby I did on and off when I was a kid, and always was interested in trying, until I got some pans a few years ago, which I didn't use much (or know how). About a year ago, I got a pan with a kit so I could understand it and over the weeks and months after, on and off, while I was at places that didn't pay off very well, I got the panning part down to a science (I don't think I lose even a tiny spec anymore).


Over the last week or two, I've come across a plethora of people on some creeks and everyone is friendly to the point where there's no competition or anyone being upset about someone digging near them. Everyone immediately offers any advice, tips or information, including better places to go and dig. Here I thought I'd risk running into people that assumed some type of exclusive ownership or entitlement to some areas of some creeks, but no one yet been like that at all. I'm sure there are some places, or cases where you unknowingly stumble on someone's claim (unlikely, since I'm watchful of that) where there are some issues, but I've made more connections this way than a lot of other stuff.


Being a musician and martial artist, you can imagine the ego's and competition you'd typically come across, and this is a nice break from all of that (though there are some really good people into that stuff, too). People just offer details that make it more interesting and more fun and it's a really cool community of people. It's exciting and as I mentioned earlier, I'm oddly eager to go out and do back breaking hard labor for 10 cents an hour, so that's got to mean something. Rain or shine, I seem to find myself out there for hours now, and even more now that I have a sluice box. You'll have to excuse me while I go grow a long beard and become accustomed to the life of a hermit.
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Annual up-date

April 8,2011

With gold prices in the area of $1450.00 it becomes important that we recover as much gold from our concentrates as possible in the shortest amount of time with the least mount of work. As 

most of you know by now I developed the CATCH-IT II water table about two years ago. It is by far the fastest, most efficient and the easiest piece of equipment to set-up and use as the final step in recov

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ering fine gold. I have owned and used those spiral wheels and gravity bowls. They require constant adjustment of the water flow and sometimes they are difficult to set-up. I no longer use these pieces of equipment. The success of this machine is known only to those who have tried or purchased my machine. The set-up of this machine takes only 5 minutes form the time it is delivered to you. You car run many buckets of concentrates with out making any other adjustments. It will recover all your gold down to -100 mesh. All you do is to spread an amount of dry concentrates ( dry works much better) on the table, the blond and black sands wash away, the gold is left sticking to the table. Just brush into a pile and suck it up. Please view my videos on this site, go to the SHOP page.  If you are interested in testing one and live near Tim, he has a table that I sent to him for trials, contact Tim .  I currently ship units all over the US and Canada and most recently have shipped units to Russia.  Gold prospecting is now allowed for the small miner in Russia.

If you live in the Las Vegas area, I will be at the Gold Show in the South Point Hotel & Casino on April 16th and 17th.  Also the GPAA is having their Chapter Summit there on the 15th.

 

Gramps

 

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You might be a Prospector if !!!

You might be a  Pospector if your neighbors complain about the holes dug in their yards

 If You pan what you sweep out of the back of your truck.

If You pan what you sweep out of your driveway.

If You dump your Vaccum bags and pan that.

If You own more than 3 five gallon buckets.

If You have a favorit shovel.

           Ok now add Your own !

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Hey everyone Grizz here,

wanted to say Hi and Thanks for bringing me Onboard I really appreciate  being brought on board and get to hang out out and Chat with  a bunch of  like minded people Much better Than face book I say
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Thank You All

Thanks for all your comments and help, I found a dry washer in my price range and type of dry washer. I want to especially thank Bob McCafferty of Reno who put me in touch with a maker of dry washers. I have picture on my page of the dry washer.
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Cabin Fever

If you have cabin fever I bought a good read at an antique store last week a Book titled ELDORADO  by a Jounalist  Baynard Taylor, who in 1849 left New York by way of Panama for California not to Prospect but to document the settling and maturing of California through the Gold rush and beyond  well worth reading .
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