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Oregon needs your support

Posted by Central Virginia Gold Dredgers on August 20, 2010 at 9:46am in General Discussions

Ok prospectors we have another battle on our hands a Seneator wants to try to ban Dredging in Oregon Wether you prospect in Oregon or not you need to help fight for thier rights, right now Califorinia is still up in the air over wether dredging will be brought back

I ugre everyone to call or right the lawmakers in Oregon and let it be know that Seneator Atkinson has drank the Kool-aid handed out by the misinformed evironmetal wackos, we cant afford to lose any more rights that we were granted years ago by these nut jobs here is more on the story

http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=%2F20100820%2FNEWS%2F8200331

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  • Bill V. (flourchild) September 4, 2010 at 11:20pm
    Just found this link about the Rouge in the NY Times
    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/us/04dams.html?_r=1
    at least both sides were discussed but it still doesn't look good we all need to ban to gether and stop this madness!!!
    • Kerby Jackson > Bill V. (flourchild) September 5, 2010 at 1:04am
      Steve Reno is dead on when he states that "calling officials juvenile names is not very persuasive in getting them to back down. Give them reason, economics, and facts. That will be much more effective in changing someone's mind."

      It's important to realize that the Enviros use proven techniques of propaganda. One of their most effective tactics is to simply "stay on message" in that they work in tandem as a group and continue to hit at the same message. (This is why so many miners ask, "Why is it that Atkinson's arguements seem to come word for word from press releases issued by these groups?"

      Simple, there is an organized agenda here and they stick to it.

      We must do the same. We must figure out our own message that is more powerful than theirs and stick to it and to keep hammering away with it.

      Think about what's most important and drive it home.

      Those most important things are (to me):

      1. Our legal rights, authority and jurisdiction (yes, we have all these things). Even local enviros KNOW and ACKNOWLEDGE this every time they are quoted as saying "These damn miners have way too much power". (And they, not to mention most of us, don't know the HALF of it).


      2. That to date, there is no scientific study that proves that this type of mining is a harm and the most negative of studies out there simply admit that "not enough is known".

      3. That the MAJORITY of studies support the idea that this type of mining has an environmental benefit.

      4. That mining has economic benefits and is a necessity to our national security.

      5. That the LAW is on our side.
  • Steve A Reno September 4, 2010 at 10:54am
    They won't pay any attention to communication especially email from citizens outside Oregon. If you know someone in Oregon go at it. Particularly, in his Senate district. Otherwise, if you want to make any difference at all send a contribution of any size to the effort of protecting public lands for public use. Plus calling officials juvenile names is not very persuasive in getting them to back down. Give them reason, economics, and facts. That will be much more effective in changing someone's mind.
    • Kerby Jackson > Steve A Reno September 5, 2010 at 1:07am
      One thing to consider is that they really don't pay attention to e-mail FULL STOP. Phone calls and especially posted letters do catch their attention.

      To an extent, no Oregon "leader" cares what outsiders tell them, but ...

      They DO care when the outsiders contact THEIR "leaders" and raise enough fuss that the guy in Oregon starts getting phone calls from senators in Texas that ask "What the hell are you people doing?"
    • desertratdan > Steve A Reno September 4, 2010 at 3:31pm
      That is very true, Steve. If anyone wants action, there is a petition posted by another member that I have signed and forwarded to everyone I know, concerning the Mining Act of 1872. Here is a link to that petition, unfortunately it's a copy and paste but it works. The link might work since I added it from my email. Stop the name calling, it only shows our ignorance of politics. No insult intended to anyone, I'm glad most people are not politicians including my own ignorance of politics, but even politicians are ignorant of laws that govern them and us and they need to be made aware of this. The only way possible is exactly the way Steve states it. Make them aware that we may be a minority and maybe less vocal, but we vote too! Please sign the petition and forward it to everyone you know, we have to have a voice in the due process. It's free unless you want to donate and only takes a minute to do. They will send an email back to you, that you can forward to everyone you know.
      http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/miningpolitics/
  • desertratdan August 31, 2010 at 9:36pm
    The person in the photo is a very close friend of mine and he was sucker punched by the press in the article. Please understand he is a righteous upstanding miner and had been promised that his words would be printed as pro-dredging, only to find out it was really propaganda for Senator [and I use that word loosely] Atkinsons agenda. That bastard isn't even from Oregon, he's from California and you know what they are like. I have been in contact with Kerby Jackson, a local supporter in Oregon and a ninth generation Oregonian, ie: a native. He has written me a message and it was so good that I requested his permission to reprint it here. He asked me not to, until he re-words some of the content and I have agreed to honor this. Some of you may know him as a western novelist and historian and if not, you can go to his website @ www.kerbyjackson.com to read up on him and understand he and his family for generations before him, were miners and prospectors in Oregon, so I ask you, without his knowledge or reference, to support him with everything available in your resources. He has offered an open hand to us prospectors, miners & dredgers, understands and lives the concepts of the small or receational prospector and is familiar with the laws and ruthlessness of the local politicians. I don't know if I he will post his letter through me or directly to the website, but please be on the lookout for his words. I know when you look at what is happening in another state, you have it in the back of your mind that if they won't help themselves then why should we? I tell you now it is not just another state, it is YOUR state. Maybe not now but you better believe it is coming! My state, Arizona, has run these so-called environmentalists out, after they trumped up charges against a rancher, saying his cows did the damage their very own rally caused! They had to pay $600,000 in damages! You better believe they are ready to lie and cheat to promote their warped cause and the average honest prospector is taken advantage of at every turn. So I ask you and all our brethren to be the rose in the fisted glove and stand up to these money and power grabbing antagonists. They talk about the silt extruded by our dredges yet they totally ignore that since the Gold Rey Dam broke "by accident", there has been so much silt that even the masks on the dredgers can't see beyond 6 inches! How good is that for the spawning fish? Ten million times as bad as all the dredging of the past three months, plus the fact that the silt has covered the older spawning beds for the salmon! They should be begging dredgers to come in and send the silt further downstream and clean up their mess! My friends pulled out three days early because they just could not see where to dredge and it was really getting dangerous with logs and other crap flying by. They are now on the Illinois River near Kerby, [yes the same name as the Kerby I am in conference with] and I have yet to check their progress. I have danced on the podium enough but I do thank you guys in Virginia for all your support. ~desertrat
    • Kerby Jackson > desertratdan September 2, 2010 at 12:22am
      Thanks for the introduction, Dan, and for posting the letter.
      • Tinpan Chuck Tobias > Kerby Jackson September 2, 2010 at 12:31am
        Actually Kerby, thanks should go out to you, as your voice really makes a difference. Thanks for being there with all of us miners, weekend prospectors, and outdoor hobbyists.
        • Central Virginia Gold Dredgers > Tinpan Chuck Tobias September 2, 2010 at 7:12am
          I agree. Thank you Kerby even though I am on the east coast I have property there in Oregon that needs to be protected from these misinformed idiots.
  • Central Virginia Gold Dredgers August 29, 2010 at 11:05pm
    ok here is some of the latest coming out of Oregon
    http://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100827/OPIN...
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